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swingers
I would like to know from experienced swingers , what you do to protect yourself from STD's. Not only intercourse, but BJ's, birth control (in our situation he has vasectomy) etc - all aspects.
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| May 18, 2006, 23:34 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: swingers
Something I've wondered too...it seems you hear all about the exciting and erotic side of swinging , I'd like to hear about the saftey and quidelines as well.
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| May 19, 2006, 05:53 |
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Re: swingers
I think thats one of the major issues that couples come across when they decide they wanna exspierence what swingings like not to mention when its a couple your just meeting how do you know yoou have there telling the truth that there clean, has been fixed etc,I guess its maybe just a chance your taking and youll find out in the end weather it was the wrong one or the right one.Or don't even act on it all together.
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| May 19, 2006, 08:24 |
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Re: swingers
more excellent issues to explore girls!
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| May 19, 2006, 08:37 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
Safe sex is the art of using condoms in conjunction with water based lubricants. It is the art of choosing not to have sex if you don’t want to. They also make something called dental dams for oral sex .....Which is a lot like saran wrap.....There is absolutely no way to know someone is 100% disease free.....Unless you take the time to have your partner take a test along with staying exclusive...Not to mention the fact that you must know that they are being honest with you....
There are many factors that influence our ability to make decisions that feel right for us, so sometimes making those choices can be difficult. To "Play it Safe" is about making a commitment to yourself to take responsibility for your body and your own health.
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| May 19, 2006, 18:06 |
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Re: swingers
Unfortunately, so many "safety" relate products are also inconvenient, messy, dulls sensation, etc. I am just wondering if there are alternatives - can you ask the other to be tested before hand - or is that intrusive?
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| May 19, 2006, 18:43 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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QUOTE (CKTC @ May 19, 2006, 18:43)Unfortunately, so many "safety" relate products are also inconvenient, messy, dulls sensation, etc. I am just wondering if there are alternatives - can you ask the other to be tested before hand - or is that intrusive?
Its your life..
Would you be insulted, or more relieved if your were asked?......
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| May 19, 2006, 18:49 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: swingers
There are some " swinging clubs" that require frequent testing for membership.
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| May 19, 2006, 19:13 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: Re: swingers
QUOTE (nykitten @ May 19, 2006, 18:06) Safe sex is the art of using condoms in conjunction with water based lubricants. It is the art of choosing not to have sex if you don’t want to. They also make something called dental dams for oral sex .....Which is a lot like saran wrap.....There is absolutely no way to know someone is 100% disease free.....Unless you take the time to have your partner take a test along with staying exclusive...Not to mention the fact that you must know that they are being honest with you....
There are many factors that influence our ability to make decisions that feel right for us, so sometimes making those choices can be difficult. To "Play it Safe" is about making a commitment to yourself to take responsibility for your body and your own health.
Cool! Let me know what site you got that from, I remember reading that somewhere, and I think it was on a site I have been trying to find that I don't seem to havebookmarked anymore.
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| May 20, 2006, 08:07 |
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QUOTE (Chazzy @ May 20, 2006, 08:07) QUOTE (nykitten @ May 19, 2006, 18:06) Safe sex is the art of using condoms in conjunction with water based lubricants. It is the art of choosing not to have sex if you don’t want to. They also make something called dental dams for oral sex .....Which is a lot like saran wrap.....There is absolutely no way to know someone is 100% disease free.....Unless you take the time to have your partner take a test along with staying exclusive...Not to mention the fact that you must know that they are being honest with you....
There are many factors that influence our ability to make decisions that feel right for us, so sometimes making those choices can be difficult. To "Play it Safe" is about making a commitment to yourself to take responsibility for your body and your own health.
Cool! Let me know what site you got that from, I remember reading that somewhere, and I think it was on a site I have been trying to find that I don't seem to have it bookmarked anymore.
You could always hang with me...Safe, clean and disease free. Hell sex free too for the matter
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| May 20, 2006, 08:22 |
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QUOTE (DEye @ May 20, 2006, 08:22) QUOTE (Chazzy @ May 20, 2006, 08:07) QUOTE (nykitten @ May 19, 2006, 18:06) Safe sex is the art of using condoms in conjunction with water based lubricants. It is the art of choosing not to have sex if you don’t want to. They also make something called dental dams for oral sex .....Which is a lot like saran wrap.....There is absolutely no way to know someone is 100% disease free.....Unless you take the time to have your partner take a test along with staying exclusive...Not to mention the fact that you must know that they are being honest with you....
There are many factors that influence our ability to make decisions that feel right for us, so sometimes making those choices can be difficult. To "Play it Safe" is about making a commitment to yourself to take responsibility for your body and your own health.
Cool! Let me know what site you got that from, I remember reading that somewhere, and I think it was on a site I have been trying to find that I don't seem to have it bookmarked anymore.
You could always hang with me...Safe, clean and disease free. Hell sex free too for the matter
are you saying you have NOS equipment for the girls? 
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| May 20, 2006, 11:28 |
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QUOTE (boredcountryboy @ May 20, 2006, 11:28) QUOTE (DEye @ May 20, 2006, 08:22) QUOTE (Chazzy @ May 20, 2006, 08:07) QUOTE (nykitten @ May 19, 2006, 18:06) Safe sex is the art of using condoms in conjunction with water based lubricants. It is the art of choosing not to have sex if you don’t want to. They also make something called dental dams for oral sex .....Which is a lot like saran wrap.....There is absolutely no way to know someone is 100% disease free.....Unless you take the time to have your partner take a test along with staying exclusive...Not to mention the fact that you must know that they are being honest with you....
There are many factors that influence our ability to make decisions that feel right for us, so sometimes making those choices can be difficult. To "Play it Safe" is about making a commitment to yourself to take responsibility for your body and your own health.
Cool! Let me know what site you got that from, I remember reading that somewhere, and I think it was on a site I have been trying to find that I don't seem to have it bookmarked anymore.
You could always hang with me...Safe, clean and disease free. Hell sex free too for the matter
are you saying you have NOS equipment for the girls?
NOS! Hell more like New in the Box Old Stock! All with full manufactures warranty too
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| May 20, 2006, 12:37 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: swingers
Hmmmm.....vintage merchandise, with original packaging! I'll make a bid on that!
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| May 21, 2006, 10:55 |
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pepper
43 / female
daytona, Florida, US
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Re: swingers
I might just have to compete with you for that one, Chazzy, or, we could pool our resources and use it together!
  
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| May 21, 2006, 11:05 |
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Are you two try'in to kill me? Just thinking about the two of you is soooo dangerous!
QUOTE (pepper @ May 21, 2006, 11:05)
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| May 21, 2006, 15:48 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: swingers
I've done a few searches with keyword phrases like " safe sex and swinging " and really didn't find that much useful info out there. I'll read a little more on it Monday when I have more time...but I'm surprised at the lack of info on this!
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| May 21, 2006, 18:10 |
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Re: swingers
Thank you Chazzy!
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| May 21, 2006, 21:43 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: swingers
I've been doing some reading this morning, and found that using the search phrase "Safety guidelines for Swingers " gave me a few good results...I found one article with a very good suggestion on one site and did a copy and paste of it here.
"As a couple... We each have a STD/HIV scan several times a year. Our practice is to have it done at different times. As a Lifestyle Couple, this allows us to get a report more often that is likely reflecting both of our conditions."
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| May 22, 2006, 08:23 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
CDC / HIV AIDS UPDATE
From The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Oral Sex Is Not Considered Safe Sex
Like all sexual activity, oral sex carries some risk, particularly when one partner or the other is known to be infected with HIV, when either partner’s HIV status is not known, and/or when one or the other partner is not monogamous or injects drugs. Numerous studies have demonstrated that oral sex can result in the transmission of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). Abstaining from oral, anal, and vaginal sex all together or having sex only with a mutually monogamous, uninfected partner are the only ways that individuals can be completely protected from the sexual transmission of HIV.
Oral Sex is a Common Practice
Oral sex involves giving or receiving oral stimulation (i.e. sucking or licking) to the penis, the vagina, and/or the anus. Fellatio is the technical term used to describe oral contact with the penis. Cunnilingus is the technical term which describes oral-vaginal sex. Anilingus (sometimes called “rimming”) refers to oral-anal contact. Studies indicate that oral sex is commonly practiced by sexually active male-female and same-gender couples of various ages, including adolescents. Although there are only limited national data about how often adolescents engage in oral sex , some data suggest that many adolescents who engage in oral sex do not consider it to be sex; therefore they may use oral sex as an option to experience sex while still, in their minds, remaining abstinent. Moreover, many consider oral sex to be a safe or no risk sexual practice. In a recent national survey of teens conducted for The Kaiser Family Foundation, 26% of sexually active 15 to 17 year olds surveyedresponded that one “cannot become infected with HIV by having unprotected oral sex ”, and an additional 15% didn’t know whether or not one could become infected in that manner.
Oral Sex and the Risk of HIV Transmission
The risk of HIV transmission from an infected partner through oral sex is much smaller than the risk of HIV transmission from anal or vaginal sex. Because of this, measuring the exact risk of HIV transmission as a result of oral sex is very difficult. In addition, since most sexually active individuals practice oral sex in addition to other forms of sex, such as vaginal and/or anal sex , when transmission occurs, it is difficult to determine whether or not it occurred as a result of oral sex or other more risky sexual activities . Finally, several co-factors can increase the risk of HIV transmission through oral sex , including: oral ulcers, bleeding gums, genital sores, and the presence of other STDs. When scientists describe the risk of transmitting an infectious disease, like HIV, the term “theoretical risk” is often used. Very simply, “theoretical risk” means that passing an infection from one person to another is possible, even though there may not yet be any actual documented cases. “Theoretical risk” is not the same as likelihood. In other words, stating that HIV infection is “theoretically possible” does not necessarily mean it is likely to happen—only that it might. Documented risk, on the other hand, is used to describe transmission that has actually occurred, been investigated, and documented in the scientific literature.
Theoretical and Documented Risk of HIV Transmission During Oral-Penile Contact
Theoretical Risks
In fellatio, there is a theoretical risk of transmission for the receptive partner (the person who is sucking) because infected pre-ejaculate (pre-cum) fluid or semen can get into the mouth. For the insertive partner (the person who is being sucked), there is a theoretical risk of infection because infected blood from a partner's bleeding gums or an open sore could come in contact with a scratch, cut, or sore on the penis.
Documented Risks
Although the risk is many times smaller than anal or vaginal sex, HIV has been transmitted to receptive partners through fellatio, even in cases when insertive partners didn't ejaculate
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| May 22, 2006, 09:57 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
Theoretical and Documented Risk of HIV Transmission During Oral-Vaginal Contact
Theoretical Risks
Cunnilingus carries a theoretical risk of HIV transmission for the insertive partner (the person who is licking or sucking the vaginal area) because infected vaginal fluids and blood can get into the mouth. (This includes, but is not limited to, menstrual blood). Likewise, there is a theoretical risk of HIV transmission during cunnilingus for the receptive partner (the person who is having her vagina licked or sucked) if infected blood from oral sores or bleeding gums comes in contact with vulvar or vaginal cuts or sores.
Documented Risks
The risk of HIV transmission during cunnilingus is extremely low compared to vaginal and anal sex . However, there have been a few cases of HIV transmission most likely resulting from oral-vaginal sex.
Theoretical and Documented Risk of HIV Transmission During Oral-Anal Contact
Theoretical Risks
Anilingus carries a theoretical risk of transmission for the insertive partner (the person who is licking or sucking the anus) if there is exposure to infected blood, either through bloody
fecal matter (bodily waste) or cuts/sores in the anal area. Anilingus carries a theoretical risk to the receptive partner (the person who is being licked/sucked) if infected blood in saliva comes in contact with anal/rectal lining.
Documented Risks
There has been one published case of HIV transmission associated with oral-anal sexual contact.
Other STDs Can Also Be Transmitted From Oral Sex
Scientists have documented a number of other sexually transmitted diseases that have also been transmitted through oral sex . Herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, genital warts (HPV), intestinal parasites (amebiasis), and hepatitis A are examples of STDs which can be transmitted during oral sex with an infected partner. For more information see Oral Sex and STDs Fact Sheet. Reducing the Risk of HIV Transmission Through Oral Sex The consequences of HIV infection are life-long, life-threatening, and extremely serious. You can lower any already low risk of getting HIV from oral sex by using latex condoms each and every time. For cunnilingus or anilingus, plastic food wrap, a condom cut open, or a dental dam can serve as a physical barrier to prevent transmission of HIV and many other STDs. Because anal and vaginal sex are much riskier and because most individuals who engage in unprotected (i.e. without a condom) oral sex also engage in unprotected anal and/or vaginal sex, the exact proportion of HIV infections attributable to oral sex alone is unknown, but is likely to be very small. This has led some people to believe that oral sex is completely safe. It is not.
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| May 22, 2006, 09:58 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
Important information provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and The World Health Organization (WHO)
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Stay away from home abortion kits and female self-sterilization kits offered for sale on the Internet, warns the FDA. None of these kits have been approved by the FDA and can cause heavy bleeding, birth defects and even death.
Did you know that oil immediately creates holes in latex? Vaseline, lotions and even whip cream contain oil and will weaken or break your condom. Make sure you use latex compatible lubricants, or if you must use oils be sure to wear a polyurethane condom. Polyurethane is safe to use with oil and water based lubricants......Be safe.
Mineral oil is a common ingredient in many lotions. According to the Center for Disease Control, within as little as 60 seconds of exposure, a 90% decrease in latex strength will occur. To demonstrate, blow up a latex condom, place a dab of oil or lotion on it and watch it explode! Moral of the story? Don’t use oil on latex.
Warning! Novelty condoms and Lambskin, or natural condoms, are not effective in the prevention of disease. For best protection, be sure to use only quality latex or polyurethane condoms.
Did you Know that heat contact with latex will increase the chance of breakage? Hot temperatures, humidity, and even ultraviolet light can contribute to the deterioration of your virtuous condoms. So keep your boys out of the glove box, and if in doubt, toss ‘em out. We'll get you some more.
Spermicides act as a chemical barrier and can be used for added protection. Nonoxynol-9 is a spermicide commonly found on condoms and in lubricants. Some people are allergic to nonoxynol-9 and may develop a rash or irritation which can make them more susceptible to infections. do a patch test on another area of your body, such as your wrist, to determine whether or not you are allergic.
A commonly held misperception is that latex contains tiny "holes" that allow the passage of HIV. This is false. Laboratory studies show that intact latex condoms provide a highly effective barrier to sperm and micro-organisms, including HIV and the much smaller Hepatitis B virus. (Information provided by Centers for Disease Control and The World Health Organization.)
Myth #1 condoms don’t work. Myth #2 condoms frequently break. Myth # 3 HIV can pass through condoms. Myth #4 Rip n Roll Education promotes sexual activity. The fact is, condoms are highly effective when used consistently and correctly. condoms work. The future is in our hands, we must educate our children with facts, not myths.
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| May 22, 2006, 10:00 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
How you cannot get HIV.
HIV infection doesn't "just happen." You can't "catch" it like a cold or flu. Unlike cold or flu viruses, HIV is not spread by coughs or sneezes. Again, you get HIV by coming in contact with infected blood, semen, or vaginal fluids from another person.
You won't get HIV through everyday contact with infected people at school, work, home, or anywhere else.
You won't get HIV from clothes, drinking fountains, phones, or toilet seats. It isn't passed on by things like forks, cups or other objects that someone who is infected with the virus has used.
You won't get HIV from eating food prepared by an infected person.
You won't get HIV from a mosquito bite. HIV does not live in a mosquito, and it is not transmitted through a mosquito's bite like other germs, such as the ones that cause malaria. You won't get it from bedbugs, lice, flies, or other insects, either.
You won't get HIV from contact with sweat, saliva, or tears.
You won't get HIV from a simple kiss. Most scientists agree that although transmission of HIV through deep or prolonged kissing may be possible because of potential blood contact, it would be unlikely.
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| May 22, 2006, 10:03 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
You can get HIV from sexual intercourse.
HIV can be spread through sexual intercourse, from male to male, male to female, female to male, and from female to female.
HIV is sexually transmitted, and HIV is not the only infection that is passed through intimate sexual contact. Other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), such as gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, and chlamydia, can also be contracted through anal, vaginal, and oral intercourse. If you have on of these STDs and engage in sexual behaviors that can transmit HIV, you are at greater risk of getting infected with HIV.
HIV may be in an infected person's blood, semen, or vaginal secretions. HIV can enter the body through cuts or sores in the skin. HIV can also enter the body through the moist lining of the vagina, penis, rectum, or even the mouth, in which case cuts and sores in these areas greatly increase the risk of infection. Some of these cuts or sores are so small you may not even know they're there. Anal intercourse with an infected person is one of the ways HIV has been most frequently transmitted. Other forms of sexual intercourse, including oral sex , can spread it as well. During oral sex , a person who takes semen, blood, or vaginal secretions into their mouth is at risk of becoming infected.
Many infected people have no symptoms and have not been tested. If you have unprotected sex with one of them, you put yourself in danger. Also, the more sex partners you have, the greater your chances of encountering one or more who are infected and of becoming infected yourself. The only sure way to avoid infection through sex is to abstain from sexual intercourse or engage in sexual intercourse only with someone who is not infected and only has sex with you. Latex condoms have been shown to prevent HIV infection and other sexually transmitted diseases. But you have to use condoms correctly every time you have sex - vaginal, anal, or oral. condoms made of plastics such as polyurethane should also be highly effective. condoms made of lambskin, however, do not offer good protection.
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| May 22, 2006, 10:04 |
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nykitten
42 / female
Pawling, New York, US
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Re: swingers
I hope all of this helps a bit....Only goes to show that using condoms are your number one way to protect yourself!....As well as getting tested and keeping it exclusive........
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| May 22, 2006, 10:07 |
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Chazzy
45 / female
private location, Missouri, US
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Re: swingers
I sent you a link, all topics of swinging are addressed there by experienced swingers who own and run a swingers club....they reallly seem to cover everything, pretty good site, easy to read and navigate....
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| May 22, 2006, 10:13 |
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Re: swingers
Thank you ladies!! 
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| May 23, 2006, 01:10 |
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funlovingpair
47 / couple
Frozen Tundra, Minnesota, US
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Re: swingers
I suppose that one option would be like the brothels in Nevada, the women there will not touch a guy unless he has a condom on. Hand jobs, blow jobs, etc... 
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| May 23, 2006, 10:56 |
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